A movement that initially consisted of a few citizens, but now is growing exponentially day-by-day to include twenty-three states, is underway for the States to secede from Barack Obama’s corrupt United States.
Everyday citizens are sickened by the Obama administration’s massive voter fraud, suppression of the military vote, and sabotaging of the voting machines in the recent presidential election.
Everyday citizens in the millions believe that Barack Hussein Obama stole the election.
That he is not the rightful President of the United States.
Will the United States break up? Will the States really secede?
Only time will tell.
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So tell Sir; how you gonna get it back?
Inquiring minds wants to know!
Just know that all the “educating” and all the money and time spent on all your elections your lifetime and parents and their parents lifetime have ONLY gotten us to where we are today! What makes you think you have the magic bullet that is gonna change this descent? Afterall, it is what the majority of the voting population voted for! Not just for Obama, but in most places except the South. California hardly has any republicans in their state at all now. Same for all the Northern states. So we have those states dictating to the rest of the country, everything they do, what laws to follow, taxes to pay and all this just to keep their living standards acceptable to them and at our expense. They are different people up there and it has been proven time and again all through US History. Put the rest of the story together for yourself and then tell me how you are gonna change things back.
Obama never ever received a majority vote. If this election had been a real American election, with extra good luck Obama miay have got one third of the votes. Admitted, the republicans are a forgotten breed. But just look at the results, I would say Obama is probably the first psuedo president to win many elections with 110% or more of the vote.
Obama is probably the only psuedo president to win on machines which automatically vote for democrats and Obama regardless of what the voter enters.
Obama is the only psuedo president to send his preatorian guard into the polling places to intimidate voters where he could not corrupt there vote.
Obama is the only psuedo president who has the poll watchers thrown out because they are correcting errors.
Obama is the present undeclared dictator of the United Socialist States of America. And we are letting the fraud get away with it. Why? for fear of riots? Rodney King multiplied out?
I don’t mean to sound derogatory but, you can’t prove Obama didn’t receive a majority of votes. Plus the burden of proof is on you to prove he didn’t. I’m just stating the government controlled line as they dictate to everyone what is and what is not anyways! If you have a problem with my statements, then you take it up with those that officially announced those results. IT actually makes it look like you are in a state of denial and that is much worse than “sounding” educated. If you don’t like the results, do something about it. If the country was as moral and just as you think it is, then all this wouldn’t be happening. Again the burden of proof lays on you to prove that the country unjust and immoral. Now if you believe that and know that and understand that, then you wouldn’t have any problem understanding that the whole system is a sham, both Democrats and Republicans. And if you knew and understood that, then it wouldn’t bother you as bad, that the election had been rigged because you already knew the morality, ethics and values of the people. Finally you would know and realize the system is too far corrupted to fix peacefully, and you can’t do anything peacefully about it, so you just repeat the government lines ad hoc.
All the above means is, you’re clueless and in denial…. because you didn’t like the message the messenger brought.
Hey there!
Wow you said a lot that’s very straight forward and thoughtful. Much to consider if one doesn’t know a lot of history, geography and PolSci.
So I’m gonna share a few personal things with’ya. You more than warranted a proper and sincere response.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq7Pbu7zaus
Listen to some of their other music as they pretty dang gone good!
A Yankee has no values or morals or anything else except all the negatives of greed, arrogance, self-righteousness and lusts. The Yankees of the 1800s is the same Yankees as today. Always been liberal, always been Marxists.
OK yank, do tell; why do most of the red states, particularly in the South show positive or state budgets or close to it while most ALL the red states runs HUGE state budget deficits? The taxes are lower in the red states also. There’s a lot of waste somewhere and the people are paying for it!
I find it oddly curious, that the this childish petition to strip citizenship from the people who signed the petitions, claiming they are traitors. The irony of course is, this is exactly what these Democrats want in the first place. Given enough time and their numbers increase enough and they will vote to strip anyone of their citizenship that doesn’t work and furnish taxes to pay for their government handouts. In other words, you are expected to work regardless of the laws and regulations against you and you are expected to pay your taxes, but you must never complain or try to work to lower them. If you do then you are subject to all sorts of attacks, including stripping you of your citizenship. More odd is the fact these same Democrats want and work in allowing illegal aliens into the country who provides no support for the system whatsoever, who votes to receive the handouts from the people who do work and then place a burden on the infrastructure that supports their daily lives. Yes I want my state to secede from this blackmail and robbery! For if it don’t I know I will become a slave working for these Democrats and Marxists! And I know my children will also grow up enslaved by theses same tyrants as well as their children! And they will be forced to accept and pay off on all the debts that have and are occurring to continually pay for the Marxist tyrants to rule them! Is that what you want for your future? The only way out is secession!
“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”–Samuel Adams–
You cannot cheat freedom and ride for free. Else you would be no better than those that offer you their hand to lick in return for your blood, sweat, tears and even life! In which case your wealth becomes meaningless.
Michael– Deo Vindicabamur
I’ll write you the same I wrote ellen.
The ONLY real chance I see of saving the union is that the military come in and remove ALL of congress and the POTUS and SCOTUS. Let them make arrangements for a real US Constitutional election under the real and original interpretation of the US Constitution. In the process they have no choice but to void out ALL Amendments after the 12th Amendment. That’s too long a shot for the military as they are under to much POTUS control, just like when Lincoln usurped the military authority of the states and used the federal army to conduct his own war n the absence of congress. The military didn’t respond properly then and it surly won’t now. There is no authority with the force to remove the problems. Ya’ll are STUCK as a bug in the RUG!
“why are you so bent on allowing someone else to do the fighting for you and you get to reap the benefits of the spoils?”
“the problem with article 5 ”
Not for the faint of heart, not for those that don’t love and cherish freedom, sovereignty, love of country, family and God. I’ll let you decide what that means for yourself, individually.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/189475291140911/
http://dixienet.org/rights/index.shtml
http://southernnationalist.com/blog/
http://thefireeater.wordpress.com/
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/pr…
“Food For Thought”
Semper Fi!
Jake
“Secession is naive. It would promote civil war, incapacitate our national defense and invite first strikes from Russia, China, Muslims, Mexico, etc. The bad guys will just infiltrate the seceded states anyway. There is really no place to run. We must fight. Our fight is with the bad guys. They must be selectively and utterly defeated by any means necessary. ”
SPOT ON Larry!
You don’t need no navy to fight those bad guys!
No oceans to travel to get to’em!
Don’t need an air force either.
Nothing to fly across to get to’em.
Reminds me of a book concerning a local company, titled, “Barbarians at the Gates”.
Especially don’t need an army for this, cuz the barbarians have control over the army!
Some people NEVER learn that the people are ALWAYS their own worst enemies!
Or better phrased, we are our own worst enemies.
Having a large military only makes it much harder for us the public to control the government. So actually it is the opposite that is true, we need a small military, just enough to deter any outside enemies. And just enough to give the people time to mobilize a larger army when needed. That was the original meaning behind the militias and state militias. I wonder why all these hotshot military men don’t know this stuff? I personally think it is because they’ve been fed and eaten too much government propaganda.
Concerning revenue, that was the EXACT reason for the secession of the South in 1861. Slavery was used as the pretext from both sides(to a point the South) because the North would not even address the tax and tariff issues. The Southern leaders repeatedly called for tariff and tax negotiations of which they were continually lead on by the North, that they would work out a compromise. Lincoln came in and to the South, told them they would pay or else face war. (Read Lincoln’s 1st Inaugural Address.) At that time the Southern States were paying roughly 97% of the Federal Government’s taxes! That’s why Lincoln made the statement when asked, “Why not let the South go in peace?” He responded by saying, “Who would pay our taxes?” “The country would be bankrupt in 30 days.” Of course that 30 days didn’t mean anything when he started a war. That’s because war generates TONS of revenue by all kinds of means, including debt, but more importantly it is the pretext or excuse to create debt! Can’t ya’ll see the similarities here?
“Northern States won because they had all the factories and manufacturing in the U.S. ”
You’re ONLY saying that might makes right and the truth means nothing!
Just to fill you in, the truth doesn’t always, nor even mostly win the wars of mankind. Only the winner writes the truth for public dissemination. What’s the saying, “To the victor goes the spoils of war.” and “To the victor goes the writ of history.” You prove my case easily!
You believe in control by force and power. You believe in forcing people to submit to your beliefs and desires. That makes you nothing short of a tyrant. So you follow your tyrant master and vote for Obama. He helps you do your bidding, lying, cheating, theft, myhem, murder, killing, money, bribery, it makes no difference as long as you win; RIGHT? Of course that is what you mean, deep down inside…. Your patriotism is to your god of self! You show that by joining the military and making war on others. And you profit off their blood… What a shame and also how ironic… you call it freedom and patriotism.
Think about it…
Agenda 21, the green energy taxes and plans, the UN disarmament of the 2nd Amendment, Illegal aliens, more and more taxes, more programs, more laws like the NDAA and Patriot Act, more Executive Orders…. etc… Now think some more, more people wanting hand outs, the government giving more, more debt, more taxes, more people on welfare and entitlements, and Obamacare (or RomneyCare since he was the father of ObamaCare) more liberals to vote for all these things and the people politicans that will support them for them. More corruption in government, more loss of freedoms, less morals and values placed on anything. Big business, especially the big banks buying and owning more, even when they were, so-called, bailed out. And think about this, less and less people who work, less people of values and morals and faith. What good are those things if the government controls them and you have no say? Where are your kind going as a group? Where will your children and progeny end up? What future is there for anything of value, moral or just or righteous? And just what do you see being able to change this? One thing will be proven beyond reproach; your faith in God. For if He is true you will be delivered. If He is a liar you have lived for nothing. If you don’t believe it matters you will pay the ultimate price. If you wrongly believed, being misled, you will pay the price!
You demand answers and accountability.
OK then, let’s see you get it from anybody!
Ain’t happened in years and it ain’t gonna happen!
And I’ll tell’ya why.
Because people don’t want good government, they want a profitable government. Profitable for them first.
You can disagree all you want, but the election results, and not just concerning the presidency proves it!
So you can want on and rant to everyone all you want about YOU will do.
It just doesn’t matter…. cuz that is you…
That was sooooo good I’m gonna repeat it!
States, the ball is in your court. Do you want to save the USA? If so, then convene a convention now.
I’ve studied much about Constitutional Conventions, aka “ConCons”.
They are NOT what you think they are!
Believe me, in short once a ConCon has convened, they can pass and do anything they so desire without regards to anyone or anything. Do you suppose the powers that be would allow a ConCon that was controlled by their people? I say this much, the off the radar left has been backing ConCons for years and actually like on a couple of states in having enough votes to call for one. I was partly responsible for the State of North Carolina tabling this measure in the 90s. There was a small group of us that pulled off a miracle.
YOU DEFINITELY DON’T WANT A CONCON!
“The South Will Rise Again,”
However all that needs to be accomplished is that the South remain standing while the rest of the country falls. That’s all we need……
I like what this guy has to say about secession. He “supposedly has a phd (post hole digging degree) in history and is Dean of history at Arizona State University. I’ve already debated and beaten this guy TWICE in debates and he keeps coming back with more insults! He finally kicked me out of his blog saying I was lying, that I wasn’t who I said I was. How would like for your children to be their history by this guy? Well sadly if you don’t like you won’t like any of the other history professors anywhere, nor any of the liberal arts educators because they ALL teach the same way. That way is the union way, the propagandist way! Read his works and attitudes for yourself. Most of the comments he posts are taken out of context anyways, just to warn you.
Here:
http://cwcrossroads.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/squabbling-about-secession/
and here:
http://cwcrossroads.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/if-at-first-you-dont-secede/
Here he pays tribute to himself:
http://cwcrossroads.wordpress.com/2012/11/13/second-term-blues/
Here’s some more:
http://cwcrossroads.wordpress.com/2012/11/06/another-outrage-against-confederate-heritage/
That’s what you have teaching the country to be good Obama supporters and neocons!
We don’t want Romney either!
He’s just the flip side of Obama!
They are BOTH problems!
Now you know how I felt when–after polls referenced in World Net Daily articles reported an enormous majority within the Tea Party and the Republican Party either believed that Obama was a fraud and ineligible or had their doubts–my Governor here in Louisiana, Bobby Jindal, a man constitutionally ineligible to be president as a non-natural born citizen, actively pursued, (and I mean literally: he actually followed the Romney campaign bus around), the nomination as the Republican VP running mate with no regard for the heartfelt cry from all corners of the country for our representatives to stand and defend the constitution against the criminal usurper, fraud and forger.Now you know how I felt when I stood and listened to the preliminary findings of Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s volunteer Cold Case Posse and the pathetic liberal media puppets who attacked the messengers with what amounted to nothing less than the heckling of a crowd–the larger news media networks not even present for the presentation of incontrivertable evidence that the purported president had presented ‘We the People’ with patently fraudulent, forged documents in an effort to cover-up the most sinister crime in American history: the criminal usurpation of the office of the president of the United States of America.Now you know how I felt when I learned that, regarding the 8 different cases that have been denied a hearing by the Supreme Court, the two liberal judges illegally appointed by Obama did not have the measure of honor to recuse themselves from any discussion or deliberation on the cases when, quite naturally, were any of those cases to have proceeded successfully, the appointment of those two slimy worms would quite naturally have been retro-actively abrogated along with any and all decisions upon which they had ruled.
Now you know how I felt when investigative reporter Susan Daniels uncovered that Obama’s Social Security number is fraudulent and nothing was done about it.Now you know how I felt when I learned that when lead detective Mike Zullo attempted to inspect the registration log book at the Honolulu Dept. of Health in which Obama’s birth was recorded in 1961 he and a fellow detective from Maricopa County, Arizona were met by what any writer might describe as “goons” and instructed to depart the premises. (By the way, in 1961 any Honolulu resident could walk in to the Health Dept. and register an ‘unattended birth’ that had “taken place” –that’s right, they could just walk in and register a birth with no photos, no doctor’s note, nothing, and more than a few Japanese are on record as having done that for children born in Japan in order to aquire American citizenship for them. Hmmmmm.)
Now you know how I felt when Obama said–what were his words?–I don’t remember…something like, ‘should the winds of war change I will stand with Islam.’
Now you know how I felt when Dr. Jerome Corsi corroborated and reported that Obama prays in an impeccable Arabic; that’s right, with no distinguisable accent to a native speaker. Hmmmmm.
Now you know how I felt when Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, a surgeon in the 101st Airborne (Screaming Eagles), was stripped of his rank and court-martialed for simply requesting, as is his duty according to his oath to defend the constitution, that his purported commander-in-chief provide authentication that he legally, constitutionally, occupies said rank–not unlike any soldier authenticating an officer crossing a check-point–and for this he was dishonored and imprisoned. Lt. Col. Lakin had served in combat theaters of operation and was getting ready to re-deploy when he was wrongfully accused and imprisoned. Then Obama presented us with a forged birth certificate.
Where is the outrage? Where are the red-white-and-blue blooded Americans who would stand and fight or if neccesary lay down their lives for the American experiment in ‘government of the People?’
Secession is not the answer.
Abrogation now is the answer.
We the People of the United States of America demand the retro-active abrogation of the unconstitutional election of the fraud and forger, the ‘Manchurian’ Muslim from Mombasa, Barry Soetoro, Soebarkha, who fraudulently represented himself through his own literary agent for over 16 years as having been born in Kenya.
MR. OBAMA was in the commission of a crime when he was illegally elected. America is in the midst of a constitutional crisis of unparalleled magnitude: we have no legal sitting president or vice-president.
Obama needs to be taken into custody by the appropriate authority and debriefed. I understand water-boarding has proven highly effective with enemy agents of Islam.
We need to put a financial hurt on all the main stream media outlets which are in cahoots with this attack upon our country and our constitution and our liberty.We need to vote out ALL Republican and Democrat party scoundrels who have utterly failed to keep their oath to defend the Constitution.Administrators at Occidental College, Columbia University, and Harvard Law School need to be tar’d and feathered for their complicity in the most sinister crime in American history. When Obama’s college records including those financial records which indicate the Islamist financing of his education are made public and it is clear that administrators at those institutions of higher learning have all along been aware that MR. OBAMA is now and always was constitutionally ineligible to be president, they must be made to pay and pay dearly for the crime of treason. Lest I forget, Governor Abercrombie of Hawaii should be sentenced to hang for his part in the crime.Obama should be tried by a military tribunal for having also criminally usurped the military rank of commander-in-chief.
No more wicked assault upon the office and honor of the office of the president of the United States of America has taken place since President Lincoln was shot.
It’s not a matter of how many sigs there are past the 25k.
It’s not a matter of duplicates or multiple state signings as long as it goes past 25k.
The main thing is just to get a response or not. (No response is also a response.)
That’s where the big question lays; what after that response?
That’s why many, especially the liberals thinks this will blow over and die. There is simply not much left after after that, most people think….? I say to the contrary, that it is just a start. But again that is up to the People.
It’s not a matter of duplicates or multiple state signings as long as it goes past 25k.”
And those facts are ONLY your OPINIONS….
To each their own….
Looks like the day is close at hand when we’ll see whose opinions are facts and whose facts are mere opinions!
I’m not stopping him.
“You know what INDIVISIBLE means”
Like the song, “Battle Hymn of the Republic.” it was wrote by a Marxist for the union and union troops during the war. It was used as a moral booster and physiologically against the rebel soldiers. The song and music was played every day and sometimes constantly to Jefferson Davis while he spent over 2 years in a Federal prison without ever being charged with anything.(after the war.) The reason he wasn’t charged was because the SC justices said they would find him innocent as well as the South of any charges of treason if any ever reached them at the SC, because they weren’t guilty of anything but trying to follow the US Constitution. Their words, NOT mine!
“Yes it was once divisible and now it is indivisible, the war AND the pledge make it so. ”
Tip: You cannot change “Natural Law” by simply changing the words to a document.
By Natural Law, by the Law’s of God and of Nature’s God, you cannot deprive a person of their Natural Rights. That is exactly what you doing when you force someone to make a pledge to another. But you then say it isn’t forced; right? Ye sit is forced by COERCION and by bribery and by deceit. For if this was not so I could be a free man and not be made to pay for another’s crimes. Like for abortions. For the immorality that is now permitted all around me. Nor would I be denied my other rights, to work and provide without the law dictating how I must work according to the taxes I unconstitutionally pay to support the above. Nor would it restrict what I buy and how I use the things in my daily life.
That is why secession is not only needed it is mandatory.
btw I forgot to add. “Indivisible” from the Pledge of Allegiance”, that was specifically written to give to the confederates as the oath for becoming US citizens again. It too was wrote by a Marxist. It is nothing more than propaganda in order to force people to according to what the government tells them. And that is NOT a sign of freedom, but rather it is a sign of TYRANNY! How little ya’ll know. Your brainwashing and government propaganda indoctrination has been extremely successful. You’re totally “Reconstructed”!
“Did you take the pledge? Do you go back on it now? Are you saying that the pledge has no moral weight?
Well, if so, I pity you. Most of us who have taken that pledge, honor it. “One nation, under God, INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice for all.”